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Lt.
I resided at
The Indians first came there the latter part of February of the present year. They asked for food and it was given them; they asked permission to bring in others of their band.
Stipulations with them were--to live at the post, suspension of hostilities and willingness to obey all orders given them from time to time.
In February they made their appearance to the number of about five--from that time until April they had gradually increased in number
Between four and five hundred Indians
For a long time I kept account in pencil of the number of men women and children and the proportion was a little more than one man to five of all others. I issued rations--one pound of corn or flour and one pound of meat to each individual each day.
These rations were first issued each day, subsequently once in two days and still later once in three days.
The last issue before the 30th of these rations was on the 28th of April.
At that time the number of Indians was between four and five hundred, have not the exact memorandum but should say 450.
They asked in addition to rations for clothing.
I told them I had no power to issue clothing but that I would provide them with work as far as practicable so that they could buy clothing
I made arrangements with them to furnish hay under the existing contract and they furnished the post about 30,000 pounds of hay.
They were engaged in furnishing hay to the post immediately prior to the 30th of April last.
While using the utmost vigilance to detect these Indians in doing anything contrary
to orders, I failed to so detect them. They were living about five miles from
I received on the morning of the 30th of April a communication from the Comd. Officer
of
I would further state that I heard rumors previously but gave them no credit. I
immediately dispatched the interpreters at the Post to inform the Indians and bring in
for
On the 30 of April none but dead bodies were found. I next sent dispatches containing information to the Adjt. General of the Dept. Next morning I formed a party and went myself to the Indian Camp. I found the situation as had been reported. The Camp was entirely deserted or burned. Dead bodies strewn indiscriminately over the ground. The remains of rations clothing etc.
The dead bodies were very much scattered and as it appeared nearly all killed by
I should say that I saw about 30 or forty dead bodies, nearly all women and children.
I found the body of one old man that I knew. It lay in that portion of the Camp
I recognized him as a man with whom I had talked more frequently than any other one of the tribe. He was one of those that had been under my charge. He was particularly an influential man. He was one of their principal counselors but not an active chief. I saw the dead bodies of several women that I recognized. The dead bodies of the women were lying in different positions. Generally the bodies were found as they might have fallen when shot running. Some, I'll stately positively two were lying on their backs entirely naked and shot through the breast apparently with pistol balls. One body had three or four arrows sticking in it besides the probable death wound of the musketry.
I also noticed bodies of women, with the skull smashed. My judgment was that women had been first wounded and subsequently killed.
I judged that because in addition to pistol shots or gun-shot wounds their skulls had been broken.
I noticed women shot through the breast apparently with pistol balls because the aperture was smaller than that of a gunshot wound.
I saw the dead bodies of children--perhaps six. They had died apparently by Gunshot wounds.
I do not recollect where the gunshot wounds were. I recollect one child perhaps two years of age with the arm nearly cut off.
Besides the old man previously spoken of the only other dead body of a male was a boy perhaps sixteen years of age
I had seen and examined battle fields before.
The fight presented every appearance of a sudden attack no attempt to escape and no resistance. I have no knowledge of the parties that did this killing.
I saw the dust apparently of a body of men moving up the valley in the direction of
As nearly as I have already stated the stipulations were food shelter and obedience of orders. They gave at that time no other reasons for coming in but hunger and a desire to live at peace. I wish that to be understood.
They said they were tired of moving from place to place to avoid contact with the soldiers.
They said from being obliged
They presented the appearance of suffering from want of food. They were understood to be prisoners. They were not requested to give up their arms as they were very poorly supplied with arms. I selected the place for them to stay myself. They were requested to present themselves for inspection at first every day then every two day then every three. At the time of the killing I was rationing them every fourth day I think but I am not sure. I can't state that it was not every fifth day. I kept a pencil memorandum of the men women and children. I also have my ration record in writing. The ration record is not the only record that I have. The Books of the Post at the Adjts Office show the number rationed at all times. There is no further record.
The hay furnished by them
It was necessary to give them immediate compensation for their labor. That hay was
paid for as received by the Post trader under an arrangement between him and the
contractor. The Post trader was
Mr.
The Indians presented the tickets at the store.
In return they received for the most part
The tickets were issued to me by the post trader on payment for the hay: by me
delivered to the Indians and by them delivered to the trader. I was then most of the
time in command of
To the best of my knowledge they received those goods at fair prices and as low as
they were usually sold in the county. I saw that my orders to the post trader were
fulfilled. I have seen
I know from my own observation that the greater proportion of the purchases of the
Indians was
I know there was a subletting of the contract made by the contractors with Mr.
In furnishing rations the Indians were ranged in families and the head of the family received the ticket for the whole family. The ticket was presented at the storehouse for flour and corn. The quantity delivered marked on the ticket, handed to the Indian and afterwards presented at the meat house for meat and then delivered up.
When the Indians were reported all in, the count was made on a particular day and the tickets delivered. The hour was not set. The Indians did not remain any longer at the Post than necessary for the count and issue of the rations.
After the count was made and the tickets delivered I superintended the issue of the rations. The tickets were presented by the squaws usually.
I do not know at what date the Indians first commenced to delivery the hay. I should
The ration tickets were sometimes delivered to the men, sometimes to the women.
The hay was delivered almost every day.
I do not know how many women there were on the reservation about the 30th of April.
The
All of the Indians wore the
I stipulated only for the
I heard rumors that the Indians were depredating upon the whites but I believed the rumors were untrue from my own observation.
There are at times wounded Indians at the
Subsequently to the 30 of April one woman and one girl were brought to the post and treated there.
I have had official correspondence connected with the killing at
I do not recollect that I ever made a statement to anybody that I was for
I do not recollect ever having said that I stood to these Indians in the relation of a lawyer to his client.
I have no recollection of ever having stated that I was bound only to tell my side of the case.
I never knew a warrant had been issued against any Indian on that reservation.
I was not informed by any one that he had a warrant for any Indian on the reservation.
No officer ever presented a warrant for any Indian on the reservation. I never saw in the possession of an Indian on the reservation arms marked with the Territorial brand. I proposed to the Indians to act as Guides to hunt for hostile Apaches when they first came in. This proposal was made in consequence of their peculiar relation to the government and the explanation of that to them.
The Indians answered they "came in for peace. There are plenty of Indians out that will not come in. We are not at war with those Indians and may be driven out from here."
I had a special talk with them about the killing at
They positively declined to join any expedition that might be fitted out against
hostile Indians. They made the proposition to join a party against hostile Indians
provided that in turn they should be assisted in an expedition upon
The military Reservation at
There were no positive means of knowing whether the Indians were off of the
reservation for one two or three days at a time. I have passes for small parties to be
absent for
The Indians called my attention to the fact that at the killing at
I found that, at that time there were more Indians on the Reservation than at any other time.
They asked that the captives taken from them at the time of the killing at
A thousand Indians are now present. I have rationed as high at 798 since the killing. Their conduct has been generally good.
They have been constantly increasing in number since the 1st of Sept.
A number of them being absent about two months, say July and August.
Never heard the Indians say they had heard who killed Mr.
(Paper produced.) Lt.
The Indians complained that while they were at peace they were attacked and children stolen. They could get no redress and therefore they left the reservation.
Mr.
Objects to the introduction of Gen.
Admitted as a whole.
Will bring in his exception tomorrow relative to admitting the whole paper.
I know that an armed party of men left
They proceeded in a N.E. direction. Something over a 100 comprised that party.
They were of all nationalities. There were some Americans, the parties named in the
Indictment. There were Mexicans and
They went on the
The main party continued on a trail in the direction of
They arrived at the last point some time in the night. I left the party there and they went on.
I saw Mr.
I heard some of them detailing the account of the fight with the Indians. They stated
they had had the fight in
The object of the party was to scout after Indians but in no particular direction.
The subject had been previously discussed in the party. They desired a large party to
successfully cope with the Indians, arguing that smaller parties
The object of the organization was discussed in his, Col.
First struck trail of Indians just this side of the pass in the mountains. Took that trail because Indians had been more frequently seen in that direction, driving off stock from this vicinity. It was only determined to follow any trail they might strike of Indians going out.
I was told by the Indian guide that the signs were fresh. I did not ask particularly. I asked for Indian sights and they said there were such.
We were guided to the ultimate destination on this trail.
The question of attacking Indians where they could be found was discussed.
Mr.
I resided in
They went in a N.E. direction from
They reached the
They reached the
Remained in camp 6 or 7 hours. The defendants were present in camp on the
So far as I know the names of them
The Camp in the
The party proceeded down the
The Party arrived within about 10 miles of
I next saw the main party about 10 o'clock the same day.
Messrs.
We arrived at
The part I speak of remained at
They then went back the road they had come.
On my way back I saw the large party about six or 8 miles from
I believe it was the same party I had been with the day before.
I noticed additional parties with them Indian children--probably to the number of 10 or 12.
I heard talk of a fight with Indians--a fight at
None of the party had been wounded or killed that I know of.
The party next proceeded to
I saw some of the Indian children along with the party.
I saw no other disposition of the children except to bring them along.
The party were two days in coming from the
The party were both mounted and on foot.
They were armed with guns.
Meetings were held in
I believe the objects of this expedition were discussed at those meetings.
I saw military officers present at those meetings.
I saw Col.
Only recollect seeing Col.
I saw Mr.
The objects of the expedition were not discussed in the presence of Col.
Means were discussed at those meetings for the stopping of Indian troubles.
A general scouting Party was prepared.
This scouting party was supposed to be composed of Civilians. Am not positive but think it was civilians.
I am not positive that Col.
Col.
I do not recollect that the topic was discussed as to whether any Apaches were at peace.
The scouting party first struck the trail in the mountains some 20 miles N.E. from
I was not aware that the party left
I know that the intention of the party in leaving was to kill Apache Indians, wherever they found them.
They intended to be guided entirely by indications.
I believe the party followed a particular trail.
I saw Indian signs on this trail.
I saw horse tracks, also moccasin tracks.
To the best of my judgement the tracks were not over 24 hours old.
I think the party continued on that trail.
The Party followed the trail to
I do not know whether the party that separated followed the road or not.
The meetings had been held for 2 or 3 weeks prior to the expedition--probably 3 or 4.
I believe Mr.
I saw Col.
I saw Mr.
The subject of the Indian question generally was discussed at that meeting. Mr.
I have heard Mr.
That time was during the session of the Legislature I think.
I think the meeting Mr.
The Party discovered enough moccasin tracks
I do not recollect the burden of Mr.
Mr.
I resided in
I know of an armed party leaving
I suppose the party numbered about 100 comprising Americans Indians and Mexicans.
The Party proceeded towards the
The Party arrived at that point about 9 o'clock A.M.
The Party at that point went into Camp until afternoon, about 3 or 4 o'clock P.M.
They then went down the
They then went further down the
The latter was located partly in a canyon (
On arriving at the
Mr.
There are parties indicated who were not there at all.
A portion of the party were those indicted. After the attack the party proceeded back
to the
Mr.
I last saw Mr.
They came up the main road from
On the occasion of the fight I believe there were some prisoners taken--children.
After getting together the party came towards
Meetings were held at
I was present twice.
The objects of the expedition were discussed.
The objects were to hunt Indians, and get them away from the vicinity around
As well as I can remember they were stealing from once to twice a week.
They were stealing from
At those meetings I do not know whether there were present any U.S. Officers civil or military.
The reason we followed the trail was because the Indians
I know the cattle had been driven over that trail by the tracks.
That trail has generally been used by the Indians in driving off stock from about
It was the intention of the party to follow the trail wherever it went to. I was one of the trailers myself. We travelled party by day, partly by night. Part of the time it was moonlight but we could follow the track without that.
It was the custom of the party to go into camp when we could not distinguish the trail easily.
The point on that trail of a previous fight was pointed out where a band
Don't know certainly whether that same trail was followed to the
We followed Indian signs to the
After leaving the
I saw an Indian, that some of the party had killed from a horse that was said to
belong to
The owner of the horse was there and claimed it to be his and that it had been stolen.
This was about 10 or 12
I said it was customary to go into Camp when it was too dark to follow the trail.
About 2/3 of the march was made in the night going out.
It was the custom to travel until the moonlight disappeared and then encamp.
There was moonlight while we were on the march.
I have been on the march.
I have been on Indian scouts before many times. It is customary to travel mostly at night.
Paper from Head Qtrs of the Army read by Mr.
Dec. 7 Defence opened.
Mr.
I have resided in
I have been connected with Indian scouts from that vicinity.
I have been employed with military scouts as guide at
I have been with military parties who have attacked Indians, twelve or fifteen times.
When they are following Indian trails, they travel as circumstances dictate by day or night.
If it is best to travel by night then by night. If best to by day then by day.
Scouting Parties first discovered the situation at the
They cannot discriminate until the fighting is over.
The proceeding up to the attack is conducted as far as possible with secrecy.
Perhaps in all 200 Indians have been killed in my experience with scouting parties. In one attack 3 captives were taken in another four altogether.
The Indians never wait for an attack as far as my knowledge extends if they know it is coming.
I have known of civilians fitting out an attack upon Indians upon several occasions.
These attack by civilians were not objected to by the Military Authorities.
I do not know of any attack ever made by Civilians upon Indians as prisoners or otherwise under Military protection.
All the prisoners I recalled of in my scouting experience were one woman and 3 children.
I never knew of a case of attack upon Indians by civilians while they were under military protection.
With one exception all my scouting has been under the Military as Guide.
I know something of an
In April last I resided in
I know of some cattle and horses having been stolen in the vicinity of
The stealing occurred about the middle of April last.
Some persons followed the trail of these thieves and cattle and horses.
Those persons were himself
They followed the trail the other side of the pass of hot water that is about 18
leagues (54 miles) from
I mean the fort which is
They caught up with the Indians and killed one Indian.
They recovered 5 horses and cattle.
The Indian killed said nothing but merely screamed.
The 5 horses recovered were some of those that had been stolen.
The Indians were riding the same horses that they had stolen.
I saw 3 Indians mounted on 3 horses leaving from where the party had killed that one Indian.
I know the horses the Indians were riding.
The were known as the horses of
I had seen the horses in the possession of
One of the horses afterward got away from the Indians and came back about 8 days after.
I afterward saw one of the
I saw that horse when they went out on the expedition.
I saw it about 4 miles this side of the
An Indian had the horse pulling it along.
He was leading it in the direction of the
I was with the party from here to
I left
I started out with them to follow the trail of the theft before mentioned.
They did follow this trail. They followed the trail to somewhere reaching there in 2 days and one night.
They travelled one day laid over one night and traveled the next day and night.
The last camp before reaching the
They left that camp in the afternoon. The were still on the same trail.
They continued to follow the trail.
They followed the trail all the time until reaching the
Upon coming near the
While I was following the trail one of my companions cries "look out" and I saw an arrow fly at me and afterwards saw another arrow shot at me.
After the 2 arrows had been shot the firing commenced.
They were there in the immediate vicinity of the
It was an Apache Indian.
On my return I was in the
The Indian who fired the arrows at me was on the point of a mountain and others a little below.
This Indian was killed.
He was a big Indian. He was a middle aged man.
I saw nothing but dead in the
I saw no property there.
I have lived at
During that time I know of Horses and cattle having been stolen from myself and neighbors, so often I could not keep count of the times.
The stolen cattle were followed at different times by parties of sometimes five sometimes 10 or 13.
Generally in the mountains of
Sometimes those parties were successful, sometimes not.
About 4 or 5 times from
Sometimes the trail has been followed and sometimes not.
The cattle were always driven to the
It was after the attack on the
It was the same day of the attack.
I am positive that I identified the horse.
Over a year I had known the horse. I am positive that it was the same horse that was
stolen by the Indians and whose trail I had followed 2 weeks before. The attack on the
When we were first discovered by the Indians we were 20 or 30 yards from the
When we came upon the Indians I don't know what they were doing: when they heard the noise they were running from the huts. We came up on the rear of the huts.
Saw no more than 2 arrows fired.
The party first attacked where I was on the bluffs then they halloed and the
I saw about 60 or 70 dead bodies altogether.
I did no go over all the parts of the Camp.
Where we went into Camp where we saw the horse, and the Indian died, it was 3 or 4
miles from the
We had a talk with the Indian that was on the horse.
They killed the Indian that was leading the horse.
Mexicans have stolen horses from the vicinity within a year and a half.
It was 10 or 12 days between the time the scout went out after the stolen horses, and
the expedition to
In the expedition that went to
All the trails of cattle stolen during the last year have led towards the
I saw one captive Indian.
At the time the arrows were fired there were about 4 men near me.
From the time we left the river until we reached the Camp sometimes I was ahead and sometimes behind.
Saw no Americans ahead.
I joined the expedition on the
The Party came directly back to
I saw one gun shot by the Indians, in addition to the 2 arrows. Saw the gun.
It was a carbine.
I have been on Scouts before.
After having made an attack it is customary to immediately return generally being in small parties.
The party that went out had no rations.
I know the obligations of and oath--to say the truth.
There is punishment for not speaking the truth.
In April last I lived at
At that time I had there cattle and horses.
From
In April last property was stolen from me, namely, sixteen horses; I followed them:
with me was
We followed the trail toward
The took the same trail as the stolen horses.
They followed that trail till dark and then followed the direction the trail had been
leading. They went on to the
At the
The sun was not very high at the time I got there.
The fighting was not over when I got there. I was at the
The ammunition was for
We met Apaches after leaving the
The horse was in my possession the 11th of April.
Within the year previous to the last of April, horses have been stolen from me almost continually.
During that time about fifty horses and mules, and one hundred head of cattle have been stolen from me.
I follow the trail of stolen animals whenever it is fresh.
My neighbors usually accompany me.
We seldom recover the stolen property.
Within that length of time I know of no stock having been recovered by the military.
Between the 1st of February and the 30th of April of the present year stock has been stolen about ten times from me.
Cannot recollect how many cattle I have lost during that time.
During that time I have lost 8 horses.
The Party killed the 2 Indians they met coming back from the
My name is
I do not know of any stock having been stolen by Mexicans during the last year.
I have resided 9 miles south of
Mr.
Mr.
Received the information of his death at
Took a load of men up to
We found his body in the corral back office of his house. The body had been stripped.
We found the body of his wife in the woods about 300 yards from there.
Her body was stripped and lanced in 3 places and dead.
Guns ammunition clothing everything was taken from the place and part of the shed over the stable was burned.
No clothing was left whatever.
Had seen Mr.
Noticed particularly a pair of moccasins that he wore. They are the sort of shoe
commonly called
They were very heavy of smoked tanned skin.
The country where I have resided has been very dangerous during the last 3 years. Particularly during the last year.
I am a farmer. Not safe to be out on farm without arms.
Been six attacks by Indians the last 18 months generally successful except in one instance and partly so in that.
During those attacks they the Indians have killed Messrs.
The result of this condition of affairs has been almost total depopulation of the country.
It is the most fertile portion of Southern
About 3 years ago some 300 or 400 people there now only about 25. Mostly transient.
The town of
I reside about sixty miles south of here. In my neighborhood are
The Indians killed
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I resided in April last at
The trail led in a N.E. direction from here towards
With me were
There were 4 Indians altogether. 3 escaped. Don't know how, whether on foot or mounted.
I saw the Indian that was killed noticed the body particularly. There was 1 particular mark that drew my attention to the body. He had one of his front teeth gone and noticing closely, as he was a very young Indian, I thought it was knocked out by a ball but saw it was not so, upon examination.
Prior to the last of April of the present year I attended several meetings at
At some of those meetings
The distance from here (
By trail I mean Bridle Road; an Indian Road.
Where we overtook the Indian it was fifty miles from
On the 30th of April last I was living about 3 miles above
I was residing at
I am well acquainted with the character of those Indians. I was personally acquainted
with many of them. Just previous to the attack Indians were in the habit of leaving
the Indian Camp near
I know of some of the Indians having been absent.
I know they were absent; one party left there about the 5th or 6th of April last.
They were absent about 8 days. I know when they returned. I noticed the Indians when they returned. I saw one Indian with his hair cut off--the Indians sign of mourning. I speak the Apache language.
I talked with these Indians after they returned. I missed one of the Indians. I asked
one where was his brother. Says he "don't say nothing about it. I have lost my
brother." I asked him how he came to lose his brother. He says he went on a campaign
near
I had other conversation at different times with the Indians.
The Indian that was killed was behind, he was the only one killed. They lost some of
the stock they had with them but brought 2 horses into camp; one I am sure. I was
acquainted with the missing Indian; had seen him frequently,
That was a distinguishing mark to me.
I had known him at
Had known his brother for the same length of time.
I have never seen the missing Indian since. I have had conversation with the Indians
at
They stated how they killed
I know an Indian at
I mean the killing. He told me that he was accustomed to lead parties from
I asked
I then went down below and with these hands and this lance I killed an American down
below." I understood him to mean Mr.
I was not at
They said they had killed one man first and then ambushed the others following, and they (the Indians) got away with no one hurt. About 4 white men were killed they told me. They told me this about 3 months ago.
These 3 Indians spoken of first came into the
I have had conversations with the Indians relative to the condition of peace in which
they stood.
They were to remain on the reservations; to be rationed and clothed if possible, and the men to be peaceable and not to go out to war, and the Government would protect them on the reservation.
That whenever they wished to leave the reservation they were to get leave of absence, which they got from time to time from 1 to 7 days in different parties. I had good opportunities of observing the Indians as to how they conducted themselves because I was living close to them and frequently some of them stayed with me at night.
I saw property with the Indians then that I recognized,
I saw 3 stamped guns stamped on the breach. I called the attention of Lt.
I saw the 3 stamped guns with the Indians between the 1 and 14 of last November.
I saw in the possession of these Indians a mare belonging to the Mail Rider who was
killed near
I never saw a similar blanket. The Indians had some women's clothes. I saw none I recognized.
The saddle I saw was a McClellan saddle taken from man that was killed on an
expedition with Governor
The man's name was
The saddle is now as far as I know in the possession of a lame Indian at
These articles were all seen since the 30th of April last--excepting the arms.
I had the conversation with
It was soon after the stealing of the stock at
He had been absent off and on for from 5 to 15 days at a time. I think it was in
March or April last that Mr.
It was
I know the blanket belonged to the Mail Rider from the description given me by his friends.
I saw the blanket first between the 10 and the last of October. That was also the last I saw it and it is out there now as far as I know.
I understood from the Indian that the killing of
The Indian had 2 wives killed and one child in the
I did not notify the Commanding Officer of
I have not made
The affair at
I had the conversation with
The Indians in conversation said they did not like to stay at
They wanted to get out to the mountains to hunt and make
They would get leave of absence in numbers from 1 to 20 sometimes the whole tribe to
the number of 50 or 60.
I know not of any persons claiming any of the things I saw in the possession of the
Indians. From the Commanding Officer I know of no persons reporting any of the
depredations committed by the Indians to the Commanding Officer of
I have known the Indian who was in possession of the saddle I speak of for six years.
It is customary for the Indians to sometimes trade the stolen property in their possession with each other: if it is good property they do not dispose of it very often. They generally keep it if it is good property. They value most a good rifle, horses, mules, saddle and blankets. Rifles best. Could not buy a good rifle from them at any money.
I have been in good employ at
About 50 persons compose
The parties leaving the camp on leave are permitted to take their arms with them. They have never been deprived of their arms at any time.
I have been familiar with the conditions of prisoners of war for 16 years.
It is always the practice of Government to deprive prisoners of war of their arms.
I have served in the U.S. Army from a private up to 1st Lieutenant.
The
The
Never knew of any troops guarding these Indians with the exception of 3 put in the guard house.
Hat produced. I know it. The hat has been at mine or Mr.
The Indian who owned the hat has been off and on the reservation ever since February.
That is not the only hat of that description among the Indians, but I have frequently
seen the hat before and I know
I saw it last at
I saw it last here in
Lt.
I am 2nd Lt. 21st Infantry and present aide de camp to General
I reported for duty at
I know of an Indian attack in that vicinity last spring. Mr.
We were promptly notified of the attack and I at once went down with 10 men, half of the command.
At Mr.
We found Mr.
I have seen other places where Indians have made attack.
Never before saw a place where they had taken off all the arrows.
My opinion as to their carrying off their arrows was that they wished to avoid
identification. I have been twice at every post in the territory
At no time since I have been here has it been safe to travel without a large party--in my opinion.
It has been the custom for military authorities to encourage expeditions against Indians by citizens.
There are orders on file from different bureaus of the war department of the
government to provide citizen parties against Indians with arms, ammunition and
subsistence. There is also a similar order from Gen.
I have noticed the farmers at work on their ranches, in different parts of the Territory.
They always have their arms on their person at work or intend to have them in reach for fear of Indians.
It is not customary to fit out parties to attack friendly Indians.
It is not customary to fit out parties either citizens or military against Indians who are claimed to be under military protection and friendly.
I was at
I with others was there prospecting for minerals.
We made known our presence there to the commanding officer of the post.
He told us he would have to escort us off of the reservation.
Believe the commanding officer was Capt.
He told our party how far the reservation extended. I did not hear him.
Twenty men, soldiers, went with us to escort us off. I suppose we went with them some
16 or 18 miles in a northerly direction from
We camped out about nine miles north from
At that point in the night the Indians fired into us. Two arrows were found. The soldiers were with us at that time; they fired at the soldiers.
Saw no Indians at the time; it was too dark; saw some in the morning at day light--some 3 or 4 on the mountain. They built up a fire and hollered at us.
We saw no more of the Indians at that place, 6 or 7 miles further on we saw one Indian. He came on right over the mountain and disappeared.
That was on the South Side of the
We returned to
I told him we did not.
I told him we were on the reservation.
I was on a prospecting tour with Gov.
Have seen the man that was killed with that
I have not seen the horse in the hands of the Indians.
I understood Capt.
Hat produced.
I know that hat. First saw it on the head of a chief they were following on the 24 or 25 of September.
The Indians had stolen
They recovered six head of cattle. They had stolen altogether about 24 head. Saw Indian tracks on the trail. Found the hat where we first caught up with the Indians when they had killed a beef.
Where the cattle had been killed was leading to
Where we left the trail was about 18 miles from
Did not go to
I have lived with the Apache Indians for 19 years and 6 months and some days.
The Indians captured me at 6 years of age and killed my father. I have been a guide for the last 2 years.
Have resided in
Have been a guide at
Was guide there last year when Col.
Have been at
Was there in July the first time. The 2nd time in November.
Am acquainted with all the grown Indians on the reservation at
I have had much conversation with those
They have talked with me of expeditions they have been on against the whites.
They were telling me about the mare. I asked them where they got it from.
They said they got it from
This friend was an Indian, but they did not want to tell me the truth.
After further inquiry where the mare came from they at last told me it came from a
man from
They offered to trade the mare for 40 yards of
I did not give them any thing for the mare and
I was hunting with these men below the ford on Saturday evening, about 3 miles below the ford.
I was working with
They had made peace before I came in from the
Had talk with Indians who were in there at the time. They said they were very afraid
of the people because they had killed a man and woman in the kitchen. They the Indians
said they had killed the woman in the woods. This killing was above
I saw one of the Indians who was shot in the arm.
I saw the wound. The wound seemed to be by a gun.
The Indians said some of them came home and 5 went on the mountains back of
I know something of the arms the Indians had. They had 5
They also had guns commonly known as
They complained that the ration was not sufficient was the cause of their leaving the reservation. Some of them went without license away from the post.
I have seen mules in the possession of the Indians. Know some of the mules. Have seen
a big mule on which
Some of them can be at peace but they want another commanding officer as they think that the present commanding officer sold them.
They think they are at peace here but not with
Some went out for cattle and the citizens caught up with them and killed one.
I know the Indian that was killed and his brother also well. The Indian that was killed had a tooth out in front.
I think above.
The brother of the Indian that was killed told me of the killing of his brother. Some
of the Indians told me of some of their number having attacked a train beyond the
station at the
I think this occurred in July.
Some of the Indians tell one thing, some another, sometimes untruth and you have to do the same with them.
The last time I went to
I remained there 2 days only.
The next time before that I was there, was in June.
The time I was there before June was in March.
In March was the first time I was in
In March I remained in
I June I remained at
From
In October I had the talk with the Indians with the tooth out.
It was in June when I had the talk with the Indians about the killing of the man and woman.
In October I talked with them about their condition of peace in which they were.
Saw the guns all the three times I was there.
I saw the mule there in October. I am 33 years old past.
I was taken prisoner at the age of about 6 years.
It is now 6 or 7 years since I escaped at
First they took me prisoner. Afterwards I lived with them voluntarily. I was taken by
and lived with the
The Indians I lived with are not the same Indians as those at
Boots produced.
I know them--first saw them in the Indian Reservation at
Found the boots on the side of the hill just above the
Have seen the boots before.
Think to the best of my knowledge they were Mr.
Think the boots have been half-soled. Last time I saw them in the possession of Mr.
Think the boots were made of an Indian-tanned skin. Mr.
Resided at
Have seen the Indians there but not noticed particularly.
I saw a pistol, rifle and saddle in their possession that I had loaned to a
About a month after the death of the man I saw the articles.
The gun belonged to me.
Had a mark on it: was loaned to the man and with him when he was killed.
The saddle used to be mine, too. I had sold it to
I identified the pistol by the holster.
I know that was the holster he had with him.
I have seen an Indian there have a large mule.
I think it was
These Indians were
They were Indians that had newly come in.
Some of the Indians had been in there some months.
I have no positive knowledge when the Indians came in who had the arms, etc.
Mr.
Have now in my possession a large American mule.
Got it at
Traded for it.
Thought when I first saw it I knew it, now I am positive I know it.
Had seen the mule with
Identified it by general appearance and thought I had seen the brand before.
The mule is now in my corral.
Traded with the butcher for the mule.
I resided at
Have been attacked by Indians there; general attack made there about the tenth of August last year.
The attack was from about 8 o'clock in the morning until sundown. Indians did not keep up a regular fire all that time.
Should judge there were about 60 Indians there.
There were two of our men killed: one of them the mail rider. Horse belonging to the mail company taken and considerable property destroyed together with the garden crop.
Never been considered safe to travel either direction from my place while I have been there.
Nothing less than 20 men well armed would be safe to travel with.
Generally travel in the night. Mail travels in the night on account of hostile Apache Indians.
The last attack made near
There were more attacks in 1870 than in 1871.
It is not safe for any number of men to travel in my vicinity.
During the last year I have lived on the
Am a farmer.
Cattle and horses have been stolen from that vicinity during the last year.
Where I reside is in an easterly direction from
The trail of the stolen property has sometimes been followed. I have followed them twice within the last year.
We have been compelled to turn back because the animals were tired out.
The trails were toward the north.
In that vicinity Indian signs are frequently seen.
Moccasin tracks.
The Indians have been seen around there all the time I have lived there.
They have not been more frequent this year than last--less frequent.
The
The Indians I saw were Apaches.
They came from the north and went away toward the north.
They have never complained to the commander of
During the last year have resided on the
I live in the nieghborhood--about 700 yards from
Cattle and horses have been stolen from there in the last year.
On the 3rd of July of the last year the Indians stole 3 yoke of cattle and 2 yoke in September of last year.
One yoke stolen in February of this year from him.
I do not know of any others losing cattle. The Indians ran a mare into his place in
April of the present year and left in the direction of
During the present year have seen Indian identification in my vicinity.
In August the Indians tried to get a yoke of cattle of mine but did not succeed. Took some melons.
The Indians who took the yoke of cattle from me in February of this year went in the
direction of the
Defense opened
I was at
The Biggest portion of the Bucks (male Indians) were absent from the
I know from my own observation that the greater portion of these Indians were absent.
That if his cartridges had been good and all the bucks there they would have killed a good many of them (whites).
The absent Indians did not return until the 9th or 12th of May.
Did know some of the horses in Lt.
The horses formerly belonged to "K" Troop 1st Cavalry to Lt.
Have seen one of these horses in the possession of Indians at the Indian camp at
I first saw the horse in October about the 1st, in the possession of those Indians.
I have been frequently on scouts against Indians during the time I was in the U.S.
Service and since. The ordinary mode of all the Indians is to attack them at daybreak
if possible. Generally track them to the
In these attacks can't distinguish the females from males; all look and dress alike. Sometimes the Indians stand to make a fight; after the fight is over they generally get in the mountains to fire.
Rations were probably issued two days prior to the 30 of April last. Good many Indians but most all females on that ration day.
Should judge there were about 20 bucks.
I had seen as many as 100 bucks there previously on ration days. I should think there were about 200 Indians altogether on the last ration day prior to the 30 of April last.
I am as positive about the last statement as I was about my previous statements as to numbers.
The horse that I saw with the Indians I know to be one of the 14 spoken of as turned
over to Lt.
There might have been one buck to five Indians on last ration day.
I have never seen any soldiers placed over the Indians as guards.
There was no line laid out as boundaries of the limits of Indians at
I have heard from the Indians relative to the killing of Lt.
I understand the relation of the Apaches with the
The Apaches under no circumstance would agree to any peace with the
I last had talk with the Apaches concerning peace or war on the 4th day of October of
the year at
I live at
I am a farmer.
With the last year in the vicinity of
The attacks in the vicinity of
I have had animals stolen from me by Indians had some so stolen about August the last.
The animals stolen were about 12 head of cattle the first time from the 1st to the
15th of August and that time I found the Indians had taken some of my mules also.
Followed them to the other side of the
All around the mountain.
The
When we abandoned the trail it led toward
We abandoned the trail because we had not enough to follow. We were only 8 men. I was one of the party myself.
Some of the stolen animals were marked brand on the side--that was 2 large mules were so branded.
Have since seen one of these mules spoken of. I saw it in the possession of Mr.
Don't remember when I first saw it in the possession of Mr.
I demanded the mule from him. He did not give it up to me. He said he bought it from
the Indians at
Have been accustomed to follow the trail of Indians and stolen cattle from here and
The time I followed the Indians to the
Never went to
These animals were stolen about 3 miles west of this town. There were 2 Indians mounted and 6 on foot.
Did not get near enough to see them.
I am Captain of the 3rd U.S Cavalry. Have been recently in command of
There are records kept at the Post of the number of Indians supposed to be in that vicinity.
Have been in command there since the 1st of April till now excepting when on scout.
While I was in command some considerable number of Indians were absent at times. At
one ration day previous to the 30th of April there were absent perhaps 75 Indians men
women and children
At the massacre they were all out. Afterward about 150 came back and then afterward
again went out: they all stayed out until the
After that the Indians commenced coming in and now about 800 are in. They have not since then been off in large parties that I know of.
Since Mr.
When I first went to
No line of limits is designated for them. They were expected to be rationed every 3
days. Lt.
The Indians in that vicinity are located about 2 miles below the post and most all of them within 2 1/2 miles of the Post and a small portion within 4 or 5 miles of the Post. The limits of the reservation are 2000 acres.
The post is about in the centre of the 2000 acres. There is a map of the reservation
at the Post. Have never looked for any marks to define the reservation. Has never been
endeavored to keep the Indians in the exact limits. Had instructions from General
An order was made by Mr.
I know the
The limits of the reservation were designated by
The Indians first commenced to come into
It is the duty of the commander of the post to inspect the Indians counting them every 3 days prior to 30th of April and every five days since.
I have superintended most of the counting of these Indians. Some days other duties rendered it impossible and then I might have been absent.
Those present at one counting were present at the next.
I have been absent from 3 months to 3 1/2 months from the post since he 30th of April on Indian scouts; Have followed Indian trails on three scouts. Have never followed any trails from the point of attack.
I killed some Indians about 25 miles west of
While out on these scouts I never saw anybody that led me to believe that the Indians
I had left at
After the massacre in April about 150 came in and stayed a month and after that all the Indians went out and were hostile up to the time that by orders of the war dept. a flag of truce was sent to them and then they commenced coming in.
On my counts I have seen no indications that these Indians who came in were out on depredations.
I know a petty Indian chief named
I think he was there when I came there. Can't tell whether he was there continuously up to the 24 of April last. Don't recollect whether he was there every ration day.
No complaints have been made to me by the citizens of depredations.
Since the return of the Indians to the post don't know of any stock being stolen.
Very little stock running loose around the post only the contractor's stock and that belonging to the Post.
The Indians were coming back and forth from the point where I moved them in the
I don't know of them having any
I first took command the 2nd or 3rd of April, and the statements I have made have reference to time and events; subsequent to which I do not know of any of the regulations of the conduct of the Indians previous to the 1st of April.
The Indians were not counted at any time except when rations were issued to them.
The Indians are ranged in bands distributed in families
Have no roll or list of names.
The highest number of rations issued to one family have been about 12.
Have no list of the number of grown males. Used to keep a list of the number of men, women and children. Have not done it lately.
Speaking of Massacre I refer to that of the 30th of April last.
There are about 6 chiefs. There is no one chief with supreme control.
There were 4 ranches raising grain there this year.
I know that the U.S. Marshall went to
Since Mr.
I am a
Never been any peace between them. If I was alone among the Apaches they would kill me. They would do so with any of my tribe we would look for nothing else.
The larger part of the
The Apaches are now and have been always in the habit of stealing stock from us.
When stock has been stolen from us by the Apache, we follow on the trail and try to recover the stock.
The
There are not many Apaches at
In the month of April last I was living at
I lived there one month.
I was personally acquainted with the wife of
I saw some of Mrs.
I saw it at the
The wife an Apache Indian of the interpreter had the clothing.
It was a marino dress, red stripped, with black silk trimmings.
I saw no other articles of clothing of Mrs.
I saw this clothing in July of this year.
The interpreter was living at
The interpreter was said to be a Mexican; he had been a Captive among the Indians.
The name of the interpreter is
I was at
I got the grey mare and saddle from an Indian don't know who he was.
When I swapped for the grey mare and saddle I received a paper from the Lt. there.
The Paper was left there and I was given a copy to take back to
The mare was claimed there by a
The Indian from whom I got the property was one of those on the reservation. That is all I know.
I know the witness last on the stand.
Saw him in town when he came from
The man that rode the mail for me had used it for six months. Knew it that way.
The man rode the mail from here to
Last saw the saddle when a man went out with it sometime in Sept. The man was killed
about 4 miles from town coming in. I am sure that is the saddle but the stirrup
leathers
I am sure that is the saddle the man had when he left here.
Mail Rider was killed by Indians and the mail lost.
Know the saddle well by its general appearance--the horn of the saddle had had a new skin on it just previous to its loss.
Satisfied the man was killed by Indians.
I am adjutant General of this Territory.
The duties of that office for the last 8 months have been to receive the arms mark
them and reissue them.
I allude to Spencer and Sharpe's carbines and
I have generally issued these arms to every person that was in need of them.
Generally reissuing the same arms to the persons that brought them in. Some of these
arms were taken by the Indians from Mr.
Mr.
Never issued any guns to the Apaches and there was no other way for them to get arms
but from murdered
I estimate about 35 or 40 stand of arms have been taken by the Indians. All the others are accounted for.
The arms have been issued for maybe 2 years.
I commenced marking the guns about the 1st of February. I know of none being marked before.
In the months of January, February, March and April last I resided in
I know of meetings during this time being held and I attended them--in regard to the Indians--to try to do something to prevent them from raiding on this country.
Attended meetings in this Court House.
Speeches were made. I don't recollect the speakers in the month of April last. I had conversation with an officer of the U.S. relative to fitting out an expedition against the Indians.
The officer was Mr.
It was on or about the 26th day of April.
Mr.
Subsequent to that time I have had no particular conversation with Mr.
I was subpoenaed as a witness before the Grand Jury.
Mr.
Mr.
That was all the conversation. I was not called before the Grand Jury.
The General topic at these meetings was about the Indians.
I did not understand that the particular object of the organization was to go to
I did not say that I knew nothing of the killing at
I do not recollect of your asking me whether I had heard any particular individuals
described in the
Mr.
I do not think that I communicated this talk I had with Mr.
About the time the Grand Jury was in session I had conversation with Mr.
Mr.
Some time in April prior to the
As he stated he said to the best of my recollection about this the people are trying to organize a party to go against the Indians will you take command of that party if it would be satisfactory.
I told him I could not do so that my business would not allow me to do it. He said
that the expedition might strike
I said further in the same conversation that it was the duty of every good citizen to
try and stop these depredations as they could get no protection from the Military:
that I would myself and had done all that I could to assist parties going after
hostile Indians in the Territory
I would state that in seeking evidence and consulting Mr.
It was impossible for us to find any single person in the town who knew any thing
about the matter or who could state that they had heard any of the defendants tell
them any of the circumstances of that transaction.
I was compelled at last in order to get any evidence to call upon the defendants themselves.
The reason that Mr.
I would state further that at the time of my conversation with Mr.
I am a Sergt. in the U.S. Army been Sergt. about 3 years.
I was not acquainted with Mr.
I know of some soldiers of my acquaintance being killed while with the mail.
It was last year.
I know the breach loaders that
Think one number was 220.
I think I have seen some of those guns since the soldiers were killed. To the best of
my knowledge saw them the guns at
These were in the possession of Indians there.
That was a breach loading musket such as our army now uses.
I think it was in April when I saw these guns in the hands of the Indians.
It might have been six months before that the soldiers were killed.
I know of some meetings having been held in
I was appointed member of a committee at one of these meetings. Was on two
committees. 1st one was to devise means of procedure against the Indians. The other
was to get General
On the latter committee were Messrs.
He promised no additional assistance.
Someone speaking of the depredations committed in the vicinity of
His manner of saying it left the impression on my mind that he would do it purely as a matter of duty but that privately he would not condemn the pursuit of hostile Indians by citizens.
I know that this was the impression left on the minds of the committee.
I have frequently communicated this as my impression.
I have talked with Lt.
In regard to his report, I charged him with suppressing the truth.
He said in effect he was not bound to explain both sides of the question.
Prosecution opened
I have been present at meetings in this place on Indian subjects, have been present
at some at which Mr.
Mr.
The last of January or 1st of February of this year I heard him make a long speech in favor of raising volunteers to carry on a war against the hostile Apache.
That is the substance of his speech as far as I remember.
He made no reference to any particular campaign as far as I remember.
I remember that reference was made to the report of General
The ground taken was that the assistance to be expected from General
He, Mr.
My impression is that the speech Mr.
I think Mr.
The ground I remember that Mr.
I think I remember remarks
I know that a committee was appointed--evidence was gathered, pamphlet published and circulated on the subject.
Mr.
I have a copy of the report of General
I requested this from Washington from Mr.
I have not the original now.
I think it came under Mr.
(Verified copy of General
I have a true copy of an order of
(The true copy dated
I am Surveyor-General of the U.S. service territory of
I have a certified tracing of the Plat of
(The Plat offered in evidence by counsel for defense)
I am not instructed particularly where but where not I am to make surveys in the territory.
I have advices from Washington in relation to
(Plat admitted)
Governor
In this Territory I hold the position of Governor.
I have in the last year and a half travelled in various portions of the Territory.
I have had interviews with the Apaches with the object of finding out their ideas of peace; whether they were in good faith and whether they desired to be at peace or not and whether they had any complaints to make.
The Indians with whom I had these interviews were at
I had conversations with those at
The day I had conversation with those I should
I had conversation with those at Apache numbering about 500 a few days later.
They talked with me as though they wanted peace--they talked about their former conduct.
One chief spoke of the good old times when they could raid with safety but that the danger now made it to their interest to make and keep peace.
Spoke of it merely as a matter of interest and with no regret for past crimes.
He was now old and tired of war and went to bed at night not knowing that he would be alive in the morning.
I had conversation with others, the substance
I do not know his name.
The Indians I speak of seemed to be under no restraint whatever. On my return to
Lt.
The Indians at
There seemed to be no lines and no guard of any description.
I had a conversation with Col.
Maj.
The Indians at
They were unrestrained and unlimited.
The country is now and has been very unsafe.
I have travelled with armed parties mostly, sometimes travelled alone by slipping through the more dangerous places at night--never travelled alone when I could avoid it.
I consider it safe nowhere in the Territory to travel alone except on some parts of
the
There were perhaps more depredations a few months just previous to the last of October 1870 than at any other time.
The universal desire of the citizens is to have peace.
Have had the best opportunities of knowing; have talked with nearly every man in the territory.
I think there is a strong hatred among the people against the Apache arising from a long series of outrages and tortures.
Have had opportunities to notice farmers conducting their farming operations, they either carry their arms with them or have them convenient to be reached.
Freighters, herders and miners all go armed and carry their arms with them everywhere.
There has not appeared any beneficial results
I called upon General
General
The Secretary of War responded by forwarding 744 stand of arms at different times and also a large quantity of ammunition for arming citizens.
The arms
I know of arms, ammunition and rations having been issued to citizens in accordance
with order of General
In August 1870 I raised a company and went out under the command of the military
authorities, drawing arms, ammunition and rations in accordance with the order of
General
We were under the orders of the military officer that accompanied us. Officer with us all the time.
There were U.S. officers present at the meetings to organize the expedition in August 1870.
Col.
I was at
While there I was under the impression (don't know whether I expressed it or not) that those Indians might be made peaceable.
Made no special examination how the Indians were fed.
Think Mr.
I presume there is danger on the roads from others than Indians.
I know of depredations being committed between here and
There is some danger
I should not have much fear of other dangers--but like all new countries there is danger to a certain extent from outlaws.
My whole trip occupied something over a month.
3 days at
Col.
Upon questioning him closely as to whether they committed depredations he could not
say certainly, but that every Indian whom he could keep
Maj.
They had been sometime at
From conversation and observation with the Indians they expressed no fear nor suspicion. Seemed to accept the situation as it was and made no comments on it.
Lt.
I am 2nd Lt. in 3rd U.S. Cavalry.
I crossed the
Have had ample opportunity to observe Indian affairs in southern
As far as the Indians are concerned they are in a constant state of war and depredation upon the whites.
Since I have been here there has been no actual peace. The Indians at
I consider the peace a farce.
I consider it to be no safer now than it has been for the last year and a half in the territory.
From the time I arrived here to the 1st of April last
Between the 1st of February and the last of April of this year I know of one case of
depredation of the Indians in the vicinity of
About the 15th of April Lt.
Lt.
Killed one of them and recaptured the stock.
There were only three Indians in the party.
One was killed and the others escaped.
We did not pursue them.
That is the only affair I know of.
The trail we were following when we found the Indians runs right to
I know of no other depredations.
We saw the tracks of the Indians we were following and the stock--did not overtake the Indians.
I was with the expedition that went out with Gov.
The result of the last expedition (Gov.
We found 2 skulls and a scalp where they had been encamped.
The mail bags we found in their
I mean to say that the trail we followed was the one used by the Indians in going to
Dr.
I only remember of one batch of Apache captives that was at
Some of these captives were prisoners--I think two died--2 or 3 others escaped.
One little boy was turned over to me
I have him now, have pledged myself for his kind treatment.
He has been well treated by me, as much so as if he was my own child.
He has been perfectly contented with us,
He has never evidenced any desire to go back to the Apache while in my charge.
When delivered to me he was about 7 or 8 years of age.
I don't remember of any other captive in the hands of whites.
I have been kind to him and he has reciprocated it.
He appears to have as much intelligence as any white child.
Learns easily.
If he is a type of the Apaches, there would be no difficulty in making intelligent men of the Apaches.
Dr.
Been about 5 years in the Territory.
Have had opportunities of noticing the Indians on the reservations.
At
I speak the Apache language sufficiently to make myself understood by them.
The understanding of the Indians at
They were given to understand this.
Their understanding with the officers was somewhat indefinite.
It was an inducement held out to them that the officers had written to
They did not consider themselves bound to remain where they were: they considered themselves independent and could go where they wanted--there were promises exacted from them to remain but they left when they wanted.
Have seen some of the same Indians at
I have seen nearly all at
They had been at
They left
I know
Don't know whether
These Indians at
I never heard the
I know what the treaty stipulations were with the Indians during the time I have been in the territory.
I do know of Indians that I saw at
I have been brought in contact with 9 sub-tribes of the Apaches acknowledging
connection with the Apaches, viz.--commencing on the south is
The Indians quartered in the neighborhood of
They were living in the
Hostile Indians might have been living there without
The families of such hostile Indians might have obtained rations and the officers have not have known it.
I have known of good Indians at peace having been made the feeders of hostile Indians
who made no professions of peace--at
I know of stuff being packed from
The thing was done here daily and no attempt was made to conceal it. I don't remember
of any of these instances particularly at
I remember more distinctly of
I know of ammunition being furnished by friendly to hostile Indians at
At both
The same was done by citizen teamsters, as I was shown by the Indians the ammunition
Col.
I heard General
Col.
They traded for game principally; also works of art, moccasins, etc., but mostly for game--sometimes for a buffalo robe, buckskins, etc.
I have seen Col.
Have seen Capt.
The interpreters name was
There were hostile Indians in there (at
I know of Indians who received ammunition daily from officers
During the time this ammunition was being issued to Indians,
I was at
My statements relative to affairs at
About the numbers in the whole 9 tribes, is from 5000 to 7000 men, women and children.
Prior to General
I have seen Apache captives in the hands of white men here in this territory and know how they are treated.
The treatment is kind, generally so.
These captives are contented and do not desire to return to the Apaches. All I have seen will cry if they are told they are to be sent back.
I know of ten cases in this town--many of them will even deny that they are Apaches.
Some of these captive children are of those taken at
I do not know that these captives are articles of sale.
Those that I know of have been obtained from their captors by exchange but not actually bargain and sale.
The citizens have obtained these captives from their captors more as the object of charity and given them a Christian education but they are not treated as slaves.
They are permitted to leave and go where they choose when of age or when they come to an age of understanding.
Mr.
I know of 8 or 10 captives (Apaches) taken 5 or 6 years ago--the Indian agent turned
them over to the citizens in connection with the U.S. Marshal and they have usually
been treated as the rest of the family--some of them probably had to work harder than
others but been well cared for and received ordinary instruction,
The party that afterward arrived in the vicinity of
I saw the arms the
They had some knives.
I believe I saw 2 Indians with bows and arrows.
I know of 2 or 3 chiefs of the
I know the chief that went in command of them to